10.6 Inner Excellence/ACT: EXTRA: ACT with Rob

[00:00:00] We haven't even really talked about the positive things so much, but if you didn't have that

[00:00:22] constant driver or the thing telling you that you haven't done shit in your life and you

[00:00:27] need to do more, then you'd be content. You wouldn't do anything. That's another spin

[00:00:33] to think about when you think about your own mind. Hey, it's really raising hell today.

[00:00:39] It's absolutely given me the damn business. Oh, that's right. It's a good thing it is

[00:00:46] because if it wasn't, then I would just be sitting here on the couch twiddling my thumbs.

[00:00:52] Exactly. It's also like hard to get to the point where you tune that anxiety out all the

[00:00:58] way. Yeah, definitely. And I don't think that's the goal though, except the fact that there

[00:01:02] is going to be this radio going. It's there. It's going to play and you've got to decide

[00:01:07] whether or not you're going to let this shitty song that's playing on the radio bother

[00:01:11] you because you can't do anything about it. So this stuff is used for professional

[00:01:15] sports teams. The applications are not just patience. It's life. It's what we're

[00:01:21] all experiencing. And so it's really important to me that people understand what it is. Yeah,

[00:01:27] we talked before this started. You told me the first time I got it. Second time now we've

[00:01:33] probably had a similar conversation about this theory four times. Certain things are

[00:01:39] still like resonating. It's crazy. It's applicable to everything, everyone. And for

[00:01:46] you, the things that click for you make sense in the context of your life and your experience.

[00:01:51] Right? Yeah. All we got to do is just keep talking about it. And eventually the different

[00:01:56] clicks are going to happen. I give a little bit of direction in terms of you've really

[00:02:00] got to recognize your thoughts or your feelings or behavioral responses to things

[00:02:06] and accept all the shit out there that you can't do anything about included the

[00:02:11] fact that you have thoughts and damn good thing that you do have thoughts. You've got

[00:02:16] to defuse the bomb that is your mind, separate that hyper connected mind and

[00:02:23] conscious self. You're two different things. You've got to recognize that and

[00:02:27] utilize that when you think I'm going to die at work because I didn't sleep. You

[00:02:32] replace that thought with either my mind says I'm going to die at work because

[00:02:36] I didn't sleep or I just had the thought that I'm going to die because I didn't

[00:02:41] sleep. Oh, it's just a thought. I just had a thought about it doesn't mean it's real.

[00:02:45] And then you practice being mindful, contacting that present moment and then

[00:02:50] you try to understand how do you view yourself in terms of the story of your

[00:02:55] life? We all have a story that we tell ourselves about our lives that's

[00:03:00] really not completely accurate. For some people it's really off, but like it's you

[00:03:07] live here now. How could you possibly understand what it was like to be a

[00:03:10] seven year old in any given experience you had? The perspective that you have

[00:03:16] about yourself right now and the story of your life that you've told and the

[00:03:21] way other people see your story and then at the kind of tail end of act

[00:03:25] therapy is what do I value in life? What do I value deep within internally? Not

[00:03:32] what goals do I have you shift the focus from I have this goal to stop smoking

[00:03:38] to what's really important to me being healthy or being able to hold my

[00:03:44] grandchild not have to deal with a bunch of thoughts of hey you got

[00:03:48] cigarette smoke all over your clothes or all over your hands and that might

[00:03:51] get to the kid and to put all of your eggs in that goals basket can get

[00:03:56] dangerous because you don't have total control over the goals that you set

[00:04:04] something could happen totally out of your control that prevents you from

[00:04:08] meeting that goal. And then when you don't meet that goal how does that

[00:04:12] make you feel? I got you but your values you can keep no matter what

[00:04:16] circumstance. And I do the same thing right I'm constantly like what's

[00:04:20] the next goal what's the next goal what's the next goal in my freshman

[00:04:23] year of college I really wanted to join the basketball team and somehow get

[00:04:30] into coaching and I thought that was like a dream job would be to be a

[00:04:34] basketball coach one day. My goal was to be on the basketball team be a

[00:04:40] manager or equipment man whatever I had to do get my foot in the door

[00:04:45] and I reach out to the coach and nothing ever came of it he never

[00:04:51] responded back to me in hindsight man you really gave up on that

[00:04:54] pretty quick. But it's because the focus was on the goal and I'm

[00:04:59] really trying not to do that with this podcast even if nobody

[00:05:03] listens to it it is forcing me to think about my own ideas think

[00:05:08] about my own thoughts put these things on paper organize them

[00:05:12] enhance my understanding of what I already know and illuminate

[00:05:17] more things that I realize every day that I don't know and need to

[00:05:22] know more about the goal is to have a successful podcast but the

[00:05:26] value is not only in disseminating information or helping

[00:05:32] people in that way but also my relentless thirst for more

[00:05:37] knowledge for more understanding if nobody ever listens to it

[00:05:41] then okay I'll have to settle that moving towards that important

[00:05:44] thing to me is enough. That is one of my core values that permeates

[00:05:50] through pretty much every facet of my life. Yeah. And so to be able

[00:05:55] to share what you learned and then also this is making you

[00:05:59] work out what you've already learned and maybe think about

[00:06:01] things. Yeah, differently. And here it said out loud definitely

[00:06:06] changes things. Yeah. Now it was like when you started

[00:06:09] saying my out loud I was like, fuck, why am I doing this? Is it

[00:06:12] for the right reason? Because maybe it's not. So let's do an

[00:06:16] exercise what is a goal that you have in life? It could be any

[00:06:20] goal? One is to work as an audio engineer full time or music

[00:06:25] producer. Okay. But if I don't do that what I really

[00:06:30] like about it is creating and putting it out there. There's

[00:06:34] a small batch of people that use what I produce and use

[00:06:37] as an engineer. So why isn't that enough? If I'm doing it

[00:06:41] every day, the value is in the creation itself. Yeah. Of course

[00:06:47] I want to create things that make people feel good. But I

[00:06:50] think it's the idea of once you create something it lives

[00:06:55] past you and it could help people but it once I die, it's

[00:06:59] still there somewhere. So like leaving a lasting impact or

[00:07:04] legacy is something that you value. Yeah, sounds kind of bad

[00:07:08] put like that. But you're thinking about how it sounds with

[00:07:11] all of that societal relations that have inevitably occurred

[00:07:16] throughout your life. And hey, that shouldn't be my value

[00:07:20] because that's how our mind works. Yeah, you have any

[00:07:23] certain thought in your mind immediately wants to question

[00:07:25] it and say, what are the other possibilities? Wait, this

[00:07:28] is an in line with what society holds as a good

[00:07:31] belief or a good value. But it's not about that. It's about

[00:07:34] what is important to me in my life. And maybe it's part of

[00:07:37] this too. I think I want to be able to wake up and do what I

[00:07:41] love to do every day. I don't know if you consider that a value

[00:07:44] in a way. Yeah, so maybe something like freedom, like in

[00:07:47] the ultimate sense, freedom to do what you want and not

[00:07:50] be bogged down by the societal requirements, like you got

[00:07:55] to have this much money and you've got to have this

[00:07:58] many sex partners and you got to but really having these

[00:08:02] discussions to figure out like, what is it really that I value

[00:08:06] about what I'm doing? Okay, so I value freedom. What action am

[00:08:11] I going to take? How now am I going to set my goals? Again,

[00:08:14] I'm not hyper focused on the goal or the action. I'm

[00:08:17] hyper focused on the value. Yeah, exactly. That's how I've

[00:08:22] broken it down in my head is I still do this every day. And

[00:08:25] I still do make a little bit of money. That should be

[00:08:28] good enough. Like, even if I didn't make any money, it's

[00:08:31] what I want to do. And I have time to do it. It just so

[00:08:34] happens right now. Yeah, I got to get another job, which don't

[00:08:38] hate that either. I don't have a lot to work on out. Maybe I

[00:08:41] do. Maybe I've got things I don't even know about. But I

[00:08:44] feel pretty good. That doesn't mean, okay, this is cool.

[00:08:48] I'm just going to ride this out forever. No, I'm still

[00:08:52] pushing to eventually get away from my job. That's still my

[00:08:55] goal. But I'm also happy with where it is now. What's the fun

[00:08:59] in stopping the push to see how far you could take things? But

[00:09:03] that's still my goal right now, in this moment, being in the

[00:09:07] situation that you're in. How is that going to feel or how

[00:09:12] will you reflect on that one day? If you are able to do

[00:09:17] professionally, exactly what you want to do, or I mean,

[00:09:21] I want to say exact because the moment that you get to the

[00:09:23] next level, your mind is going to come up with the next thing

[00:09:26] that you want. But how are you going to reflect on where you

[00:09:29] are right now? When you achieve that milestone?

[00:09:33] Reflecting like when I reach this level, when all I'm doing is

[00:09:38] music and then looking to now, how do I feel about that

[00:09:41] person, like this person? Yeah, I would think that I would

[00:09:44] still, those are probably be some of my happier times to

[00:09:47] reflect on you hear a lot of people talking about how like

[00:09:52] the journey is like the exciting part, you know,

[00:09:55] exactly and struggling or not getting what you want is the

[00:10:00] only reason you experience the joy. That's true when you get

[00:10:05] what you want. You can't have joy without pain. Exactly.

[00:10:08] Yin and Yang, you know, there's so much of Eastern

[00:10:11] philosophy tied up in this stuff. If you can manage the

[00:10:15] negative aspects and you can put them in their proper place

[00:10:19] within your life. Again, this doesn't mean that everything

[00:10:22] you do is a good thing or that everything is positive. Like

[00:10:26] sometimes your mind is telling you you're a piece of

[00:10:28] shit because you're not living by your values and it's

[00:10:31] going to make you aware of that. But if you can set the

[00:10:33] negative stuff in its proper place, then you can start

[00:10:37] to benefit from all the positive things that your mind

[00:10:41] is doing, all of the ideas that it is generating, you

[00:10:45] can set aside the things that to the conscious you who

[00:10:49] makes those decisions. You say this is not important. It

[00:10:53] never has been. Maybe it's based on these kind of rules

[00:10:56] that I set for myself earlier on in life and I'm still

[00:11:00] unconsciously subconsciously paying attention to them.

[00:11:03] You can set that stuff aside all of a sudden it

[00:11:05] frees up for you to see all those other possibilities

[00:11:09] that could get you to create computers where you could

[00:11:12] talk to somebody halfway across the world. All of these

[00:11:15] things that we're capable of are also because we have a

[00:11:19] mind that is constantly, randomly generating ideas

[00:11:25] and relating everything to each other so that you can

[00:11:29] take your construction job and apply principles of that

[00:11:33] job to your work as an audio engineer. Yeah. Even

[00:11:38] though those surface levels superficially totally

[00:11:41] unrelated, the example that I use all the time is with

[00:11:44] video games, which I think is especially relevant to our

[00:11:47] generation that, hey, I just spent three hours trying

[00:11:53] to beat level 12 of link and I just can't beat it. And

[00:11:59] I'm frustrated. I'm throwing the remote or I'm

[00:12:01] throwing the controller and then you go away from

[00:12:04] it and you let your mind do its thing in the

[00:12:07] background of your life. You come back later.

[00:12:10] You've literally learned nothing about how to beat

[00:12:14] that level. All you know is you've tried certain

[00:12:17] things and they haven't worked. And all of a sudden

[00:12:20] you turn that game back on, even though you've given

[00:12:23] zero conscious thought to what you're going to do,

[00:12:27] this solution appears and you're able to beat this

[00:12:31] level that you've never been able to beat before.

[00:12:33] When people say, Hey, let's take time away from

[00:12:36] trying to remember that word or remember that fact

[00:12:39] and it'll come to me. Yeah, I'll do that. How do

[00:12:43] things just come to you? Because your mind is

[00:12:46] trying to find it. Your mind is trying to come up

[00:12:49] with more possible solutions. So when you walk away

[00:12:52] and take that time, your mind is now engaging

[00:12:56] with what you're doing when you leave, you're

[00:12:58] doing all these different things, but it's

[00:13:01] subconsciously still kind of working on that

[00:13:04] video game. Your mind knows that there's this

[00:13:06] problem that exists in your life that is that

[00:13:08] video game. Same thing, you drive to work one day,

[00:13:11] all of a sudden, let's say pre Google Maps, you

[00:13:14] have this thought of maybe I'll try this different

[00:13:17] way to work. You've never gone that way. You

[00:13:20] maybe know it exists. You maybe don't, but you

[00:13:22] try something new and you end up finding a faster

[00:13:25] way to work or a more peaceful way to work.

[00:13:28] Music is a great example of this with music.

[00:13:31] There's definitely some classic behavioral

[00:13:34] training of how to play a piece, but same thing

[00:13:37] with sports. What happens with music and sports

[00:13:40] if you are trying to consciously think of the

[00:13:43] answer or think about what you need to do on the

[00:13:45] field or on the pitch? Oh yeah, idea of

[00:13:49] flow state. I guess really you're just tuning

[00:13:51] out your mind and just letting your conscious

[00:13:55] self take full control.

[00:13:58] Yeah, I don't even know how to really describe

[00:14:00] the flow state in the context of this. Maybe

[00:14:02] it is like your mind and your conscious self

[00:14:06] are in perfect communication with each other.

[00:14:09] Yeah. And so your conscious self is rapidly

[00:14:12] picking out the right answer to your problem

[00:14:15] in immediate time. Instead of just sifting

[00:14:17] through all the results. Yeah, it's really

[00:14:20] just quick decision making and just

[00:14:23] that's weird because yeah, I struggle with

[00:14:25] that all the time when I make beats,

[00:14:28] I'll find myself trying to do the same thing

[00:14:31] over and over and I'll just get real burnt out.

[00:14:34] My friends that come over here and record, we

[00:14:35] always talk about the same thing like

[00:14:37] creativity comes in these waves and that you

[00:14:39] kind of have to go live life and experience

[00:14:43] things and then come back and you have

[00:14:45] this new breath of fresh air. But with

[00:14:48] this in mind it like makes me think about

[00:14:50] that process even differently because when

[00:14:53] I walk away my brain is continuing to

[00:14:56] try to find new ways to make music

[00:14:59] taking influences from different things

[00:15:01] I haven't heard before and that's really

[00:15:04] what the recharge is. Yeah, but not when

[00:15:07] you're consciously beating your head

[00:15:09] against a problem over and over again.

[00:15:10] It's not like you walk away and you're

[00:15:12] like alright how do I make that beat

[00:15:14] better? What do I do? You go away from

[00:15:16] it. Let your processor process. Yeah,

[00:15:20] it's kind of like with the video game.

[00:15:21] If you make the same mistakes over

[00:15:22] and you're like you'll die the same

[00:15:23] way in the video game. I can't get

[00:15:25] past this one part. That's really

[00:15:27] interesting. Another way of thinking

[00:15:29] about it is hey I'm going to focus on

[00:15:32] moving towards what is important to me

[00:15:34] in my life. I'm gonna create behavior

[00:15:38] that moves towards what's important to

[00:15:39] me which again requires sitting down

[00:15:42] and figuring out what's important to

[00:15:44] you. Society doesn't get to determine

[00:15:46] what's important to Rob. Rob gets to

[00:15:48] determine what's important to Rob and

[00:15:50] it might partly be reflected by

[00:15:52] society but they're gonna be

[00:15:54] different for each person. You may

[00:15:56] find yourself comparing yourself to

[00:15:58] other people but they could have

[00:16:00] totally different values than you do

[00:16:01] and they could find a way to compare

[00:16:03] themselves to you that would make them

[00:16:05] feel really deficient or inadequate.

[00:16:07] So again it's moving towards what's

[00:16:09] important to you in life as opposed

[00:16:12] to trying to get away from things

[00:16:14] that are uncomfortable which I think

[00:16:16] we are really good at doing in our

[00:16:19] world today and especially good at

[00:16:22] doing in the United States. You

[00:16:24] experience something internally, you

[00:16:27] feel something internally, maybe you

[00:16:29] feel despair because you failed that

[00:16:31] test and your reaction because you

[00:16:34] fucking hate that feeling of despair

[00:16:36] and it makes you feel inadequate. The

[00:16:39] reaction is I'm gonna go out and drink.

[00:16:41] I'm gonna have a bunch of drinks and

[00:16:44] shit it worked. I feel better. Yeah but

[00:16:47] then you wake up the next morning

[00:16:49] not only do you have to deal with the

[00:16:50] toxic effects of alcohol on your

[00:16:52] body but you also have done nothing

[00:16:56] to resolve the problem and those

[00:16:58] feelings of inadequacy and defeat

[00:17:01] based on not passing that test all

[00:17:04] come back in. You have put all your

[00:17:06] eggs in this gold's basket and you

[00:17:09] didn't meet your goal now it's like

[00:17:12] how do I get away from this uncomfortable

[00:17:14] feeling of being inadequate as opposed

[00:17:16] to hey I've got this value of I

[00:17:20] hate saying helping people that's what

[00:17:22] everybody yeah that's a good one

[00:17:23] you could say maybe I didn't meet my

[00:17:25] goal but this kept that from

[00:17:27] happening but I kept my integrity and

[00:17:30] I still help some people you can still

[00:17:33] choose to keep your values no matter

[00:17:35] what right so within the construct of

[00:17:38] medical school you're not there because

[00:17:41] you value passing a test you would

[00:17:43] never say that you were there to pass

[00:17:46] the test yeah you would say I'm here

[00:17:49] because I want to help people around

[00:17:51] here because I want to do something

[00:17:53] that I feel is important in society

[00:17:56] regardless of whether you pass that

[00:17:58] test or not you can still move towards

[00:18:01] your value even when your goal has

[00:18:04] gone up in flames yeah I totally get

[00:18:07] that like where do you hear about I

[00:18:09] mean I guess you hear it's good to be

[00:18:11] a good person blah blah blah but

[00:18:14] something about the way that you're

[00:18:15] explaining it just makes it make more

[00:18:18] sense as an adult yeah I mean it

[00:18:20] really tries to set your goals as

[00:18:22] secondary things don't get me wrong

[00:18:24] like goals are absolutely important

[00:18:26] you're not going to succeed in life if

[00:18:28] you don't set goals but this absolute

[00:18:31] rigidity around meeting goals actually

[00:18:35] inhibits your ability to complete

[00:18:38] more of your goals because your focus

[00:18:40] within completing a task is to avoid

[00:18:43] discomfort or to not fuck it up as

[00:18:46] opposed to your focus being hey I'm

[00:18:48] moving towards something that is

[00:18:50] important to me and I'm doing that and

[00:18:53] it really frees you up to do what you

[00:18:55] want to do to live your life how you

[00:18:57] want to live your life and to not get

[00:19:00] bogged down when this podcast that

[00:19:03] you spent so much time working on

[00:19:05] totally bombs if nobody ever listens

[00:19:07] to it at least you and I are sitting

[00:19:09] here having a conversation and

[00:19:11] through doing that hopefully both of us

[00:19:13] can expand our understanding of

[00:19:16] ourselves or our understanding of what

[00:19:18] is going on in the society around us

[00:19:21] or how other people think and react to

[00:19:23] things then okay I'll have to settle that

[00:19:26] moving towards that important thing to

[00:19:28] me is enough

[00:19:30] everything could be a win when you're

[00:19:32] holding yourself to these values

[00:19:35] because it doesn't matter the

[00:19:37] circumstance you can keep those

[00:19:39] nothing could take that from you for

[00:19:41] me personally just right now I'm

[00:19:42] reevaluating my value or my goals to

[00:19:46] separate goals from values I like the

[00:19:50] analogy of at your funeral what do you

[00:19:53] want people to say about you let's just

[00:19:55] say that you want to elicit your

[00:19:58] values within a relationship that is

[00:20:01] the topic in terms of what values

[00:20:03] you're trying to figure out you have

[00:20:05] imagine that you are sitting at your

[00:20:06] 80th birthday all of Rob's ex-girlfriends

[00:20:11] ex-wives maybe we don't know current

[00:20:13] relation everybody is there and you

[00:20:16] just imagine you're sitting there

[00:20:18] listening to each of them give a speech

[00:20:20] about you what do you want them to say

[00:20:23] we can think about a goal that you

[00:20:25] might proclaim now that seems to kind

[00:20:28] of lose its relevance at that 80th

[00:20:30] birthday speech for example you know I

[00:20:32] think especially as a younger man

[00:20:35] there's definitely some societal

[00:20:37] pressure for us to have a certain

[00:20:40] number of partners yeah if you don't

[00:20:42] have ex a number of partners well you're

[00:20:44] not really that cool yeah I'm a victim

[00:20:47] of that mentality and so sitting at your

[00:20:49] 80th birthday and how would you feel or

[00:20:51] how would you react to women going up

[00:20:54] there and saying here's Rob he had a

[00:20:56] bunch of partners right yeah doesn't

[00:20:59] really stick well probably a cooler

[00:21:02] thing to have happened on your 17th

[00:21:04] birthday kind of helps you figure out

[00:21:06] what really is important to you

[00:21:08] there could be all kinds of different

[00:21:10] things that are totally out of your

[00:21:11] control that limit the number of

[00:21:14] partners that you have if that is your

[00:21:16] goal right I mean we're on this weird

[00:21:17] track where your goal is to have sex

[00:21:20] with many people exactly I think I was

[00:21:22] on that track at one point in my life

[00:21:24] it wasn't so much about meeting the

[00:21:26] goal is getting away from myself and

[00:21:28] getting away from my own mind

[00:21:29] yeah having that easy win I had that

[00:21:32] problem man I had to take growth

[00:21:33] hormone injections I was tiny I was

[00:21:35] like a little fucking Andy Milanakis

[00:21:38] wasn't gonna go through puberty all

[00:21:40] my friends are having sex this and

[00:21:43] that I look like a 12 year old boy

[00:21:45] worked at McDonald's and so as soon

[00:21:47] as I started juicing up and my dick

[00:21:50] turned into a man's dick and I was

[00:21:52] like I'm gonna have sex with everyone

[00:21:54] I possibly can I'm wanting to prove

[00:21:57] my manhood so much because I was a

[00:21:59] late bloomer that I was like oh I'm

[00:22:01] just gonna be this misogynistic

[00:22:03] little fucker and then now in

[00:22:05] hindsight is that was probably related

[00:22:08] to me wanting to prove my manhood

[00:22:11] and it's not a value that's like

[00:22:15] commendable really so in the short

[00:22:17] term with each of those sexual

[00:22:19] encounters how did it make you feel

[00:22:22] yeah like okay hey this is working

[00:22:25] I feel better same shit that happens

[00:22:27] when you continue to abuse a drug

[00:22:30] it's all hey I'm gonna smoke this

[00:22:32] next cigarette because it gives me

[00:22:35] that little rush I feel good in the

[00:22:36] short term but long term did it make

[00:22:40] you feel any more manly did it break

[00:22:42] down the inferiority complex that

[00:22:45] you had as a result of just your

[00:22:47] biology yeah I'm with you a lot of

[00:22:49] that shit is just like testosterone

[00:22:53] competitiveness driven maybe not

[00:22:55] the cigarettes and those are like

[00:22:58] ideas that come along in young men

[00:23:00] that I think we just either break out

[00:23:02] of them or you don't from an

[00:23:04] RFT perspective you probably also

[00:23:07] are following a lot of internal rules

[00:23:10] that had been said at that point by

[00:23:11] your peer groups by society by

[00:23:14] television again like the amount of

[00:23:16] information that we're exposed to

[00:23:19] in regards to any of these ideas

[00:23:21] that we'll talk about is astronomical

[00:23:23] so you're probably being told by

[00:23:24] society television media your peers

[00:23:28] that yeah you're not as much of a

[00:23:30] man if you don't have sex with a

[00:23:32] bunch of different partners

[00:23:34] yeah and then it's like you get to an

[00:23:36] age where you question all those

[00:23:38] societal norms why are these in

[00:23:40] place but to be questioning that

[00:23:42] early on I think would be really

[00:23:43] beneficial for a lot of people and

[00:23:45] thinking about these theories are

[00:23:47] early on it builds over time I'm

[00:23:49] almost three years into my personal

[00:23:53] slash professional journey not only

[00:23:55] have I seen way better results than

[00:23:57] I ever saw with any other type of

[00:23:59] therapy but like personally I feel

[00:24:01] calmer than I ever have I get

[00:24:03] overwhelmed I deal with negative

[00:24:05] life events and they affect me

[00:24:08] yeah but I don't have my

[00:24:10] same not adding on top of what's

[00:24:13] already a shitty experience

[00:24:14] yeah I'm not throwing all this

[00:24:16] other stuff and I do feel like I'm

[00:24:18] opening my life up to live it the

[00:24:21] way that I want and not be overly

[00:24:24] burdened by all the shit that my

[00:24:27] mind is able to come up with

[00:24:29] about what I'm not doing and where

[00:24:30] I fall short how stupid I am etc.

[00:24:32] etc. yeah dude I'm gonna continue to

[00:24:35] apply this I swear just moving forward

[00:24:38] I've gotten better naturally just

[00:24:40] as I've gotten older with just how I

[00:24:42] react and how much I let things

[00:24:44] bother me and all that but you're

[00:24:47] always trying to get better and

[00:24:49] this definitely I've never thought

[00:24:51] about things this way with just

[00:24:53] having the two consciousnesses and

[00:24:57] how they each operate it teaches

[00:24:59] to the whole world and then

[00:25:01] everybody's gonna live in peace and

[00:25:02] harmony now I see what the purpose

[00:25:05] of the podcast you know what I mean

[00:25:06] that's now I see like the goal in it

[00:25:10] in the purpose of act like the whole

[00:25:12] community perspective it's the

[00:25:14] association of contextual behavioral

[00:25:16] sciences the ACBS but their whole

[00:25:19] goal is about spreading this

[00:25:22] worldwide so that we all can live a

[00:25:25] better existence and ideally so that

[00:25:27] we can figure out what is the next

[00:25:29] step in our evolution as a species

[00:25:33] what are we capable of if we can

[00:25:36] tear down all of our walls and our

[00:25:38] boundaries imagine if everyone you

[00:25:40] know was able to kind of operate I

[00:25:42] mean it's really just a goal of just

[00:25:44] living peacefully and happily or at

[00:25:46] least living with an understanding

[00:25:49] that you're not always gonna have

[00:25:51] that yes happiness yeah you get it

[00:25:54] and honestly before you said that I

[00:25:56] didn't put that specific verbiage

[00:25:58] together it is about spreading that

[00:26:01] message and yes the ideal goal is that

[00:26:05] as a society that enough of us are able

[00:26:08] to impact how our society grows and

[00:26:12] moves forward because let's face it I

[00:26:14] know people have said this for all of

[00:26:15] time but certainly feels like we are

[00:26:17] close to that apocalypse yeah with how

[00:26:20] crazy people are with each other

[00:26:22] trying to control each other's

[00:26:23] thoughts and feelings and so infuriated

[00:26:26] over things that don't even directly

[00:26:30] affect them everybody just thinks so

[00:26:32] everything elicits so much emotion and

[00:26:35] yes like you need to learn how to be

[00:26:37] okay with what's going on every day

[00:26:39] learn how to be okay with the fact

[00:26:41] that you might be wrong I might be

[00:26:43] wrong right yeah I really don't think

[00:26:45] I'm in wrong in the context of what

[00:26:47] we're talking about at least not

[00:26:49] wholly wrong there's almost assuredly

[00:26:51] several elements of this theory and

[00:26:55] its applications that will find out

[00:26:57] later or either wrong or not the ideal

[00:27:00] interpretation or there's more to expand

[00:27:03] upon it's really hard to fully explain

[00:27:06] because it's full of abstract ideas I'm

[00:27:09] not sitting here trying to say this is

[00:27:11] definitively how it works and

[00:27:14] everything that you see is processed but

[00:27:17] that's the extreme of the theory

[00:27:19] imagine if everyone you know was

[00:27:20] able to kind of operate I mean it's

[00:27:23] really just a goal of just living

[00:27:24] peacefully and happily somebody get this

[00:27:30] guy some help

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